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I've been thinking about having better exhaust pipes installed on my 2014 Valkyrie, which is black.
Ever since it was pointed out to me in another post that only one out of the three exhaust ports on each side actually emits exhaust while the other two are faux, I've wanted a better-functioning AND better sounding pipe on my Valkyrie.
As we all know, there is rather limited variety in after-market exhaust systems for Valkyries, compared to what is available for F6Bs and full dress Wings.
Yesterday, I found a link here on the Forum about Torq Master.
I logged on to www.torqmasterpipes.com and nosed around.
They make Chrome pipes, as well as a Ceramic Black ones. Their Black pipes are $220 more than the Chrome ones, but dam...they sure are pretty.:x
If any of you has these on your Valk, or has seen/heard them on somebody else's bike, would you please chime in here, and let me know what you think?


I'm guessing that modifying the intake or EFI would not be necessary, and that the CPU will automatically adjust the fuel mixture to accommodate the improved outflow of exhaust?
Am I right?


Looking forward to some expert assistance here.


Thanks, guys.


HondaBilly
 

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I have a set. I love them. Louder than stock but not to the point of getting you a ticket. I got the straight cut tips.

 

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Getting slip ons is silly without doing Torq Loopz. They sound like @ss while cruising without the Torq Loopz cause they have that awful drone. Do it right and get both from Jimmy.
 

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Thanks for the feedback, guys.
I got an e-mail back from Jimmy at Torq Master.
I had asked him about the interior porting of his Ceramic Black pipes:


How many exhaust ports are there within each pipe that actually channel exhaust gas?

Is there just one, large port, into which flows the exhaust from all three cylinders on that side of the bike?

Or, is there a separate port for each cylinder on that side of the bike, all three of which channel exhaust gas?

Or, does your Ceramic Black pipe function the same as the stock exhaust - three ports but only one functional and the other two fake?


Jimmy responded to me, saying that his pipes have only one exhaust port within each exterior pipe - ONLY ONE HOLE IN EACH PIPE, 3 INTO ONE ON EACH SIDE




But he also recommended that I also buy the Torq Loopz?!?!?!


Now my question for him is as follows:




If I ordered just the Ceramic Black pipes (but NOT the Torq Loopz), would we need to retain the stock, interior porting setup, with three ports within the new pipe, but of the three, only one of them actually emitting exhaust gas, the other two faux?
In other words, in order for my new, Ceramic Black pipes to not only be beautiful on the outside, but also function better ONE HOLE IN EACH PIPE AND THEY BOTH BLOW, do I need to order BOTH the the exterior Ceramic Black pipes AND the interior Torq Loopz?


What's the story, guys?
 

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HB, you are over thinking this whole thing. Exhaust is fairly simple and straight forward. don't get all caught up in what you see on the outside of Stock Mufflers have nothing to do with what is going on inside of them. Stock they have 3 nipples on the tail but only 1 is the actual exhaust port. the other 2 are just for show. the stock headers on each side of this motor flow 3 cylinders into 1 before they flow into their cats. The 2 cats each feed one muffler on each side. So each stock muffler has 1 inlet and 1 outlet, exactly the same as these new less restricted Torkmonsters do. Keep it simple, don't go getting all worked up about multi flow bs. Also the stock exhaust system has an Inverted U pipe crossover between the 2 sides such that thay should share muffler capacity. Because this is a piss poor cross over w/o laminar flow it creates a DRONING sound when used with the new less restricted Torkmonsters.. That is why you HAVE to cut the stock catalyzers out and that stupid crossover pipe and install the TorkLoops which give you straight laminar flow into the new mufflers. these Tork Loops offer more pipe length and proper back pressure and do not have cross over sharing of mufflers side to side. That is why they Sound more Better because they are.


Merging exhaust gas flows from multiple cylinders is advantageous Only if the flows are kept Laminar. Then the expansion pulses provide excavating properties to the various cylinders improving exhaust flows and allowing more air/fuel to refill the cylinders on each cycle, aka more fuel = more power. Ideally all six cyl should flow into one before splitting back into 2 mufflers. Would require some rework under the bike, doable.. the radiator expansion tank needs to be relocated to the tool box area. you don't need tools. this is a Honda. ponchout
 

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I didn't use the Torq Master pipes. I put on a set of Rush pipes. I was fortunate because my saddle bag brackets could be modified to hang the pipes. Without the Torq Loopz I had major droning at higher speeds. I put up with it for a little while, but then broke down and got the Toq Loopz. The Torq Loopz make a world of difference. They are a set of straight pipes bent into a loop, so there is no restriction for the exhaust. They do take a little bit of time to set them up for the heat shield positioned right.


Do not go cheap. Order both pipes and you will be happy. The bike's sound will change from a Porsche to a Ferrari. I get lots of looks when I am accelerating. The nice thing is that they mellow out when I am cruising and I hardly hear them.


Funny story. I was cruising past a HA clubhouse the other day as I was accelerating. About 20 heads snapped around to see what was going by. Definitely not a Harley sound.
 

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It appears you are clueless by your questions. The 3 cylinder pipes on each side feed into 1 pipe each side that each have a catalytic converter. That middle section also has a crossover too. After the crossover each side pipe exits to a muffler. The Torq Loopz replaces the middle section right after the 3 into 1 convergence that has the catalytic converters and crossover. You cut 1 3/4” behind the weld line after the 3 into 1 convergence. The Loopz add length and are smaller diameter which increase the scavenging effect. The mufflers or silencers each have a baffle core inside.

Have you ever gotten under the bike to examine the exhaust layout? Are you mechanical enough to do the work?

The stock mufflers are different sizes and designed to work with a crossover pipe. Changing the mid section to Torq Loopz which do not have a crossover will require new mufflers otherwise each engine bank will see different back pressures.

Buy the full setup (Torq Loopz and Mufflers) or don’t do just 1 without the other.

What are you waiting for? Sh1t or get off the pot! LoL

Thanks for the feedback, guys.
I got an e-mail back from Jimmy at Torq Master.
I had asked him about the interior porting of his Ceramic Black pipes:


How many exhaust ports are there within each pipe that actually channel exhaust gas?

Is there just one, large port, into which flows the exhaust from all three cylinders on that side of the bike?

Or, is there a separate port for each cylinder on that side of the bike, all three of which channel exhaust gas?

Or, does your Ceramic Black pipe function the same as the stock exhaust - three ports but only one functional and the other two fake?


Jimmy responded to me, saying that his pipes have only one exhaust port within each exterior pipe - ONLY ONE HOLE IN EACH PIPE, 3 INTO ONE ON EACH SIDE




But he also recommended that I also buy the Torq Loopz?!?!?!


Now my question for him is as follows:




If I ordered just the Ceramic Black pipes (but NOT the Torq Loopz), would we need to retain the stock, interior porting setup, with three ports within the new pipe, but of the three, only one of them actually emitting exhaust gas, the other two faux?
In other words, in order for my new, Ceramic Black pipes to not only be beautiful on the outside, but also function better ONE HOLE IN EACH PIPE AND THEY BOTH BLOW, do I need to order BOTH the the exterior Ceramic Black pipes AND the interior Torq Loopz?


What's the story, guys?
 

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The bike's sound will change from a Porsche to a Ferrari. I get lots of looks when I am accelerating. The nice thing is that they mellow out when I am cruising and I hardly hear them.. Definitely not a Harley sound.
Porsche vs Ferrari.. either will get your attention if you know your motors.. hardleys sound worse than a john deere, turning petrol into decibels, no music there
 

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Thanks, you guys. With your help, and Jimmy's, I now understand the way the exhaust system works.
Jimmy replied to me today with this:


the F6C has only 1 outlet port from each left & right catalyzer exiting into the STOCK exhaust mufflers/silencers. Your Stock mufflers do not have 3 ports, ONLY 1 functioning port on each side of the bike........... the other 2 are for looks only ...........TORQ MASTER PIPES WILL FIT YOUR BIKE PERFECTLY ..........only 1 inlet port and only 1 outlet port on the silencers / mufflers.......


Sorry, but I'm not a motorcycle mechanic. I'm actually a bicycle technician. I assemble, tune, and repair bicycles.

But now I got it!
 

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Getting slip ons is silly without doing Torq Loopz. They sound like @ss while cruising without the Torq Loopz cause they have that awful drone. Do it right and get both from Jimmy.
You're on a roll...lol Saying the pipes sound like garbage without loops and then telling the guy he's clueless? Great persuasion, bud...lol

With just the slip ons the bike won't sound like @$$.... Torq loops might liven it up more .... I plan on them sooner or later. But just going slip ons is just fine. And it's not a waste of money. If anyone here didn't want to "waste their money" they wouldn't be buying a motorcycle and dumping money into it to make it sound and look cool.

Get the pipes. You'll like them. If you want more power and growl get the loops. Is the money all worth 5-6hp? All perspective. You're not racing it, right? If you like them get them. I know I like mine.
 

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Another one not aware that the OEM different size mufflers were specifically designed and tuned to reduce the drone caused by the extra large diameter mid pipes which reduce exhaust scavenging that were required because of the catalytic converters.

Have you completely gone through your system measuring pipe diameters after the header, exiting the catalytic converters and mufflers entry and exit? Are you aware the other markets have a restrictor after the catalytic converters and the reason why?

Have you tried just slip on exhaust mufflers? Do you have Torq Loopz?

How many “yes” or “no” do you score?

Should he take advice from experience or from you with just thoughts.

I can understand someone wanting to upgrade but when they have absolutely no idea of the subject and haven’t taken the time to learn when their bike is right in front of them. Was it that hard to look underneath the bike and view the exhaust?

You're on a roll...lol Saying the pipes sound like garbage without loops and then telling the guy he's clueless? Great persuasion, bud...lol

With just the slip ons the bike won't sound like @$$.... Torq loops might liven it up more .... I plan on them sooner or later. But just going slip ons is just fine. And it's not a waste of money. If anyone here didn't want to "waste their money" they wouldn't be buying a motorcycle and dumping money into it to make it sound and look cool.

Get the pipes. You'll like them. If you want more power and growl get the loops. Is the money all worth 5-6hp? All perspective. You're not racing it, right? If you like them get them. I know I like mine.
 

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The reason to change the OEM exhaust to Torq Loopz and Slip On Mufflers has nothing to do with sound. The stock bike with its’ 2 different size mufflers is tuned perfectly and sounds great. The reason to switch is for improved low end throttle response and increased power. Once you get rid of the cats, you can either get o2 eliminators or a tune. It is all or nothing. The difference is very noticeable in the closed loop - low rpm - low load fuel map. No more slight hesitation and the bike pulls harder. Those who believe their stock bike or stock bike with slip ons runs great have never experienced a bike with Torq Loopz with a tune or o2 eliminator bike. Night and day difference.
 

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I couldn’t agree anymore. Most that start with slip ons get annoyed with the awful droning noise while cruising and then take them off and go back to stock. The more adventurous order the Torq Loopz and are amazed at the difference and kick themselves for not doing it sooner.

I didn't use the Torq Master pipes. I put on a set of Rush pipes. I was fortunate because my saddle bag brackets could be modified to hang the pipes. Without the Torq Loopz I had major droning at higher speeds. I put up with it for a little while, but then broke down and got the Toq Loopz. The Torq Loopz make a world of difference. They are a set of straight pipes bent into a loop, so there is no restriction for the exhaust. They do take a little bit of time to set them up for the heat shield positioned right.


Do not go cheap. Order both pipes and you will be happy. The bike's sound will change from a Porsche to a Ferrari. I get lots of looks when I am accelerating. The nice thing is that they mellow out when I am cruising and I hardly hear them.


Funny story. I was cruising past a HA clubhouse the other day as I was accelerating. About 20 heads snapped around to see what was going by. Definitely not a Harley sound.
 

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Thanks for your input here, Rich.
I have received a lot of information from Members, and from Jimmy, bringing me up to speed as to how the F6C exhaust system actually works.

I have been throwing the subject around in my mind for the past two days.
And I have read previous posts here on the Forum.
The consensus is that although a Valkyrie will sound better with Torq Master pipes, and even better again also adding the Loopz, the performance increase is minimal. One needs to do more to the bike to significantly boost torque and horsepower. That I DO understand, based upon the upgrades I had done to the Victory Gunner I just sold.

But as for the way the Valkyrie looks, there is NO doubt about it. Those Ceramic Black Torq Master pipes are absolutely gorgeous.
I'm going to think about it a little more....
Actually, the next thing I'm going to add to my Valkyrie is the lower fog lights. I had them installed on my F6B. They look great, and give the bike better visibility out front without having to go to high beams.


Thanks, again.
 

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I couldn’t agree anymore. Most that start with slip ons get annoyed with the awful droning noise while cruising and then take them off and go back to stock. The more adventurous order the Torq Loopz and are amazed at the difference and kick themselves for not doing it sooner.

Just for information. I did not change my pipes for the sound, or performance. I did it to put the exhaust behind my saddlebags. The original pipes ended almost in the middle of my saddlebags. I was concerned with the bags heating up in the summer when I am stopped at lights. The great sound and performance was just a bonus. :D
 

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Is anybody else experiencing poor customer service from Torq Master? I order a set of torque loops and pipes in Feb 2019. Jimmy has been ignoring request for updates since October 2019 and can't get a hold of him on the phone. If someone has an address I would love to pay them a visit.
 

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I tried to reach him last years to ask a few questions and order the both torque loops and pipes from him and couldn't get a response. I drilled out my pipes and am very happy with the sound. I'm not knocking the guy and I know he's busy but if you ordered them over a year ago and haven't received them I'd definitely be finding a way to get my money back or dispute it for sure.
 

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Bought a set of pipes off Jimmy for my Valk in 2017. Told me would be 4 weeks to make then send to Australia. Would have had 20-30 emails to confirm details, doesn't seem to read what is written or his own previous responses.
Paid the money, waited a few weeks to get an update - zilch. Spent nearly 2 months sending emails and trying to call. finally got through and was fed a story about being in hospital near death. Gave him the benefit of the doubt.

Waited more weeks, still nothing. Had a friend make a bullshit enquiry. Jimmy carries on about the dozens of exhausts he had been making and all was good. Called him out, finally made my pipes and sent them. Pipes arrived, fitted them, right hand side was shorter and hanger in the wrong spot. Left a 3/5" gap between heat shield and exhaust. Called him after sending photos - he refused to accept responsibility saying all pipes made the same.
After much fighting over the phone, agreed to make new RH pipe.

Last year had a minor accident where the left hand pipe had a very small dent. As insurance was paying, contacted him to make a new pipe. Got stuffed around, prices kept changing, had no confidence that I would get what I needed so gave up.

In a nutshell-love the pipes, how they look and the sound. Maybe just my bad experience, but if he had have been a local he would have ended up with one of the pipes shoved fair up his exhaust!
 
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